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Re: Champions Trophy Prediction Contest
« Reply #16 on: September 22nd, 2004, 3:51am » |
 
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Asitida wins hands-down !! Huge margin ... and while everyone is out ... Asitida is still counting !!
The Icing on the Cake will be England winning the cup 
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 asiti
Australia South Africa Pakistan England (WON 6pts)
Australia v/s England (WON 4 points)
Champion (6 points):England
TOTAL: 10 AND COUNTING !!!!
raghuvir
AUS___SA__IND_SL____
__ (WON 2pts)
AUS_ v/s_IND_ (WON 0 pts)
Champion (6 points): ___AUS______ (WON 0 pts)
TOTAL: 2
TaarCheera (WON 6pts)
_AUS___SA____IND___SL______
_AUS___ v/s ___IND____ (WON 0 pts)
Champion (6 points): ___IND______ (WON 0 pts)
TOTAL: 6
B,Santanu (WON 2pts)
__New Zealand__West Indies_ India ____Sri Lanka__
New Zealand v/s _India_ (WON 0pts)
Champion (6 points): ___India________ (WON 0pts)
TOTAL: 2
sidchakra76 (WON 6pts)
new zealand___south africa____india____sri lanka_______
new zealand_ v/s india__ (WON 0pts)
Champion (6 points): ___india___ (WON 0pts)
TOTAL: 6
silchari-pua
Australia West Indies India England (WON 6pts)
Australia v/s India (WON 0 pts)
Champion (6 points): India (WON 0 pts)
TOTAL: 6
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Re: Champions Trophy Prediction Contest
« Reply #17 on: September 22nd, 2004, 4:39am » |
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on September 21st, 2004, 9:49pm, asiti wrote:Nutan Captain kare banani jai? Keu to nai re ba. Okhono selector ra Munaf Patel re chance der na.
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knee-jerk reactions to a certain series or tournament debacle(s) have killed the indian team in the past. Just a few months ago we were hailing this team as one of the greatest and toughest Indian teams. Now its mostly a case of some batsman being out of form and with Sachin out of the team I think the team has suffered psychologically from his absence too. But that's all.
The next series is a test series against Australia and not ODIs. I would say the same team that played in Pakistan needs to be continued. The only place that needs to be given some thought is that of Yuvraj Singh in the 14 member test side and maybe replaced with Sridharan Sriram. Indian wickets are not going to be bouncy wickets and good skills at playing spin has to be given preference. Yuvraj is very lousy in playing quality spin bowling and specially if the wicket is slow and so someone with a very impressive record like Sriram can probably be a better option.
Munaf Patel is over hyped. Let the kid grow up and perform a little more in the first class scene before throwing him into the deep end against the likes of Hayden and Ponting. He will be eaten alive and with his confidence shattered and the hype blown into tatters, he would just fizzle out. I initially heard that he bowls super fast like Shoaib Akhtar and Brett Lee. Now I hear that he has the same pace as Pathan and the likes. And he is yet to take a 5 wicket haul in first class cricket. So I think selectors are doing a fine job in not buying into this hype yet. Hope they keep it that way.
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Re: Champions Trophy Prediction Contest
« Reply #18 on: September 22nd, 2004, 12:05pm » |
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I had once seen munaf patel bowl...he is fast...he is dazzlingly fast...and he is accurate given the pace at which he bowls...he is definitely faster than irfan...but I concur that probably getting him into the grass rightaway could just backfire...though one reason why I would like him inducted into the squad is keeping nehra and the rest of the pacers on their toes...
pitting him against hayden and martin right up on Indian pitches could shatter his confidence, true...but if he were to come good, then it would give him a sure sense of confidence...he would never have felt till now.
(maybe when we go up 3-0, in the fourth test munaf could be brought in  )
A case in point is aakash chopra...ohh how he plaued downunder...tough conditions against tough teams could do wonders to your confidence...and I really liked the way aakash chopra batted...and I am keeping my fingers crossed for him this time also...
I concur that this team is alright, just that everyone seems to have gone into a lean patch concurrently, just as all of them had peaked at the same time...this is something the team will get over soon...however...a few changes could auger well for the team...and be a reminder to the big boys there...that boss, your position is not your fiefdom...perform or else you will be shown the door...
there is no point keeping players like hemang badani, dinesh mongia at bay...when things dont work out, you need to make changes, over the past few years one of the main reasons why India has been playing exciting cricket (if you leave the last three tournaments out) is the good bench strength...several injuries to key players have not dented the team out of its exciting ways...
Australia can afford to leave michael bevan out of contracts...and yet go on and play the same way they have done over the years...India needs to have a system where players who do not perform are asked out, and they go back and play good domestic cricket and come back...that way you do not lose other good domestic performers out...
However, on Indian pitches,,,Australia will have a tall ask...border gavaskar trophy is unlikely to change hands...
and if anyone wants to do Indian cricket a favour, get that smart alec called mandira bedi out of cricket...If cricket is a religion, she surely has defined it.
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Re: Champions Trophy Prediction Contest
« Reply #19 on: September 22nd, 2004, 12:24pm » |
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I meant she surely has defiled it.
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Re: Champions Trophy Prediction Contest
« Reply #20 on: September 22nd, 2004, 2:15pm » |
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I fully agree with U RUPAM....she does not have any cricket sense...That day after India bowled out for 200 runs. She asked Kapil dev that can he bowled out Pakistan within 200 ..and Kapil replied that don’t take this emotionally ….
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Re: Champions Trophy Prediction Contest
« Reply #21 on: September 22nd, 2004, 4:06pm » |
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There is something called Baptism by fire. We have to put our youngsters to that.
Look at the Aussies, the moment some player does not perform, the rotation policy eliminates him. You will say, Ausies have so many players.
India is a country of 1 billion. Even when Sachin, Sourav, Dravid, Sehwag...bask in their past glories, and putting more mind into the next advertisement, we do not have sufficient back up.
Bring Munaf Patel..baptise him by fire. We must show the world at least for a season that we have pace power. Otherwise, when he becomes 24 years old, he would be rendered useless for a debut.
After that of course, Patel may resort to military medium pace bowling like Zaheer Khan now a days does [injury!! Oh! Me!]
But why Patel only? There must be other extra fast bowlers existing.
Similarly, about bats. I think there are other people definitely exist who ar at par with Sehwag and Yuvraj. Unless there is a competition, how can you ensure improvement in the standard?
Is some one waiting for Sachin now? Well, he is supposed to have a Tennis Elbow. It is a kind of injury that would make a person cry. [I have been crying for last one year ]
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Re: Champions Trophy Prediction Contest
« Reply #22 on: September 22nd, 2004, 9:58pm » |
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Munaf Patel was said to be bowling super-fast, but in his first exposure in a Board President's XI match last year against the touring NZ side, he was hardly clocking the mid 140s on occasions. That's not "dazzlingly fast" by the current international fast bowling standards.Even Nehra is faster then that when he really guns it as he did during the last world cup.
See, my point is he may be good but players need to first put up decent performances in the domestic first class scene and in first class games against touring parties and prove themselves.Munaf Patel hasn't done it yet and so without anything but hype to go by, I think the selectors should ignore him at present.India-A team is touring a lot of places and that's where a career can begin early and no one with talent has to wait till they are 24 to prove themselves in the international scene. Baptism by fire and all that is good, but its good only when you have unshakeable faith in someone's abilities or else its plain murder.And these would be dusty and slow Indian pitches which won't have any bounce or pace to help the most experienced quick, let alone a rookie who hasn't done a thing yet.
There are batsman who can come in. The first and foremost is Sridharan Sriram. His performance is very impressive and he should get a chance in the Indian test squad, maybe in place of Yuvraj. If this player isn't tried out in test cricket it would be one of the worst selection mistakes in Indian cricket on the same lines as not selecting KP Bhaskar of Delhi in the 1980s to play test cricket ever. Badani is ok too. I don't like Dinesh Mongia at all. He doesn't have the array of shots necessary to make it big against anybody. Gautam Gambhir is very impressive though, and is an opener to boot.
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Re: Champions Trophy Prediction Contest
« Reply #23 on: September 23rd, 2004, 11:43am » |
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Gautam Gambhir has a good domestic season...he definitely deserves a chance...
talking of dinesh mongia and his lack of a wide gamut of shots...thats true for several international players of the day...there are players who were dubbed prodominantly one- sided batsmen and yet have gone on to improve and prove their mettle while at work. The other fact being he has been hailed as the player of the season for Lancashire...and that means he has been amidst runs...
Vaskar Pillai not making it to the Indian cricket team was indeed a shocker for many...however some of the reasosn were of his own making...although he made runs regularly at the domestic level, he fared miserably during a few of the selection innings...pillai's performance was remarkable in domestic circuit considering the fact that he managed to do runs regularly over a period of five domestic seasons...
when someone like mohinder amarnath culd be dropped as many as six times, the rest of the non- starters' fate could well be imagined.
During March- May this year, I dont remember exactly when, I was watching a domestic match where munaf patel was bowling...and I remember having stopped watching something more important on the TV (either itwas the India Pakistan series or the elections) to watch Munaf bowl...though there were no meters to measure the speed...the commentator said "I have never seen an Indian bowler bowl this fast"...and then he doled out some data on Munaf being capable to bowl at speeds well into the 150s...thats about my knowledge on his speed...nehra can bowl fast, true...but thats only once in a while...once in a rare rare while...though he started out as a quickie...and I was impressed by his ability to get the ball to bounce off the pitch...without bending his back...in nsrilanka...and that apparently has taken its toll...he is now just moderate...and he is greatly inconsistent...but I would nto go to the extent of saying that munaf is consistant for that matter...
Munaf probably had not been at his fiery best against the NZ team...but in that match he got nathan astle twice...and did beat him on several other ocassions...both at the pads and outside offstump...he got scott styris and bowled flemming......that says somthing about patel...and now that he will play for Bombay, (he had recommendations from sachin) against the touring Australian side, he will be an interesting watch.
some of the greatest players have indeed been baptised by fire...and they are the ones who have proven to be the greats...for the lesser gifted ones...this is not really a great ploy...however...this is one chance to shine...and to shine perennially...
the question is, does the Indian board have the galls to take the call?
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