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How do u define Secular or Secularism?
« on: June 7th, 2005, 3:37pm » |
 
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After observing the Indian political circus for quite some time, I have become very very confused. It seems whatever I knew previously about the terms secular/secularism/secularist etc. etc. are all wrong. Can somebody help me out and define what are the meanings of these terms?
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didibhai
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Re: How do u define Secular or Secularism?
« Reply #1 on: June 12th, 2005, 8:04am » |
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According to the English thesaurus it means,
worldly, material, lay or spiritual.
But, in the Indian context of course, it only means spiritual and that is the Hindu way. Although, I have apathy for our down trodden Hindu rajas' and 'jamidar's' their cultural ego not only destroyed Hinduism but has contributed largely on the political facade and chaos that we face today. Because ealy Indian politician were made up of them. No politician in India can claim to be secular in its true form. Their only purpose is to lay claim to the all important "chair" for life. And for that they will commit any sin thrown at them.
Is India secular? NO
Is India democratic? NO NO NO!
disagree? I'll tell you when you all shout at me.
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Re: How do u define Secular or Secularism?
« Reply #2 on: June 12th, 2005, 5:17pm » |
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I have read other posts of Didibhai, and I really appreciate the way u express urself and I acknowledge totally ur knowledge 'bhandar' but I couldn't be OK with u in this post ...
& hence ei post-e Didibhai-r loge amar jhogra oi jaibo bujiyar ...
of course unless we mean different things by secularism and democracy
For me, secularism means, a country or geographical region where people of all religious belief can practice their belief, so long their belief do not harm anybody else, without any fear or objection.
If this is the definition of secularism, I shall be proud to tell that India may be one of the fewest nations in the world today (if not the only) that is truely secular. Everywhere else in the world only the dominating religion can practice their faith without any problem. Look at France for example, here hindus can't put sakha & sindur, muslims can't put scurf and sikhs can't put turban publically, where as christians can go finely with their everyday religious practice.
I read in Hindustan times that in US one Manipuri familly put the sort of 'antena' what they put culturally in every house, and for that reason they were sued and were obliged to take it out later. For the religious freedom of minorities in Muslim countries, the less we speak, better it is.
India is the only country where Sikhs can put turbans, Muslims can put scurf, Buddhists can put their typical dress and everybody else can do whatever they want to practice their belief unless and untill that harm anybody else.
Then, about democracy ... in fact, democracy and secularism, at one point, will tend to overlap each other, as both are based on the principle that we have the freedom to practice our cultural way of life unless and untill that harms others (atleast what I feel). And thus even for democracy, as stated above, if India is the only country where we have full religious and cultural freedom (for groups of all origin) then how can we tell that in India we don't have secularism and democracy.
Unless we have different definition of secularism and democracy, I think its not only that these two things exist in India, I will tell that India is the only country where secularism and democracy exists ... and not only that, I will tell India is the only country where we don't have the problem of skin color, where u won't be denied a job just because u have a different skin color .... come out of India, and u will see how the world works ... u will be denied job just because of ur skin color, because u have put a sakha, because .... etc etc etc.
Dater morjada daat forlei buja jai re baba... daat thakte nai .. before accusing India, come out of here and compare how things work elsewhere ... or if u r living abroad, come to stay here to see how things work in our country ... and only then a true comparison will be possible.
However, I do agree that opinions may vary, and I will be open to listen from you ... what I have told is just my opinion ...
Anyway, cheers and have a nice Sunday dear Didibhai.
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Re: How do u define Secular or Secularism?
« Reply #3 on: June 12th, 2005, 8:55pm » |
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ami saurabher sathe ekmot pushon kori. jehetu amio bideshe thaki, Great(?) Britain, totha kothito projatantrer prishtoposhok, kintu ekhane thakle pore bujha jaay krishnakaay ebong o-christian der koto tuku samajik, dharmik, o bektigoto swadhinota ba nijer moner bhab prokash korar swadhinota ei desh ba somaj diye thake.
nijer deshe jodio boro hoi ni kintu bak-budhi ektu bartei thikoi bujte shuru korechilam je ei desh amar nijer desh noy. ekhane amar sob bondhu-bandhob, poribar ebong e deshei ami boro hoyechi kintu mon ekti kkhoner jonno o mante chay na je ei desh amar swadesh. ekotha thik je ei desh amar kormo bhumi aar bharat amr janmabhumi aar matribhumi. moner aadhattik khuje thikoi chute jaai bharater dike. ei desh amay ja dite pare ni bharat amay diyeche.
bharat jug jug dhore attacharito o nihshohay jati o dhormo ke aasroy deyeche ebong diteche. roman ra jokhon jeruzalem er ihudider bitarito korlo tokhon dakkhinatyo sobar aage asray diyechilo nipirito ihudider ebong monipur o ihudider asray diyechilo praay der hajarer bochorer moto. aar aajo dakkhinatte o monipure hajar hajar ihudira nirbhoye tader dharmik o samajik oitijjo bojay rekhe choleche. moddho asia y jokhon poshu-bot mongol ra jatit por jatir bongsho nash korte uddoto holo tokhon lakh lakh bibhinno jater manush uttor bharote asray nilo. musholmander akramone jokhon iran podolito holo tokhon nijeder dhormo ebong sanskiti bachanor jonno zarathustra dharmambolira kebol matro bharoter dikei takiyechilo. aajo tara poshchim bharate tader sankriti ebong dhormo bojay rakhte pereche. botoman kale lakh lakh tibboti der asray deyeche uttor bharot. afganistane kottor-panthi mushalmaander hate nipirito sohaj saral manush asray niyeche barater bibhinno shohore. jug jud dhore bharater dike osohay manush chute asche aar bharat matar shanto ancholo chayay khuje peyeche shanti aar nijer dhoromo o sankriti bojay rakhar protishuti.
"ki bichitro ei desh" er manusher boichitro ta aar kuno deshe dekha jaay bole amar mone hoy na. koto bhasha, koto jati-upojati, koto dhormo, koto ronger manush, koto poshak, koto khabar....sotti "ki bichitro ei desh"!
"nana bhasha, nana mot, nana poridhan. bibidher majhe dekho molono mohan". kintu ei boichitrer majhe je oikyo budh amader "eki sutre bandha sahasrati" praner ek kore rekheche seta holo ei porom mantra "sobar uope manush sheshto, tahar upore nei".
"joto mot, toto poth" shudhu bharoter monishider konthei shona jaay. karan amader uponishod taai shikkha diyeche. bharatei kebol ek mayer dui sohojato santan krishna ebong shyto borno hoy. ei mohamanober oikyo bondhoner milonanode rabindranath bolechilen,
"...keho nahi jane kar ahabane koto manusher dhara,
durbar srote, elo kotha hote, samudre holo hara.
hethay arjo, hethay anarjo, hethay drabid o chin...
shok-hun-dol, pathan-mugal ek dehe holo lin."
prithibir sob prokar manusher shantir ashram bharat ke bykha korte giye French scholar Romain Rolland bolechilen:
"If there is one place on the face of earth where all the dreams of living men have found a home from the very earliest days when man began the dream of existence, it is India."
bharoter oitojjoke bornona korte giye ek din mark twain bolechilen...
"India is, the cradle of the human race, the birthplace of human speech, the mother of history, the grandmother of legend, and the great grand mother of tradition. Our most valuable and most instructive materials in the history of man are treasured up in India only. The land that all men desire to see and having seen once even by a glimpse, would not give that glimpse for the shows of the rest of the globe combined."
aar british oitihashik dr. arnold toynbee bharober shamajik o dharmik nitir darshonik mulyo budher porichoy dite giye bolechilen...
"It is already becoming clear that a chapter which had a Western beginning will have to have an Indian ending if it is not to end in the self-destruction of the human race. At this supremely dangerous moment in history, the only way of salvation for mankind is the Indian Way."
bidhesh theke deshe gele thikoi bujhi je amader deshe koto tuku projatantro bojay aache jodio onek khetre taar mulyo nei. saurabher kota ta ekdom thik je "Dater morjada daat forlei buja jai re baba... daat thakte nai .."
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Re: How do u define Secular or Secularism?
« Reply #4 on: June 12th, 2005, 10:55pm » |
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Mone pore Hitler er Kotha, " People of the same blood should live in the same Reich."
First chapter, Mein Kampf.
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Re: How do u define Secular or Secularism?
« Reply #5 on: June 12th, 2005, 11:28pm » |
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Great post Bijli ...
BTW, if u can, I would love to have the source of the english quotes that you have provided here ... These quotes are really oshadharon, and I may be requoting them in the future ...
see if u have ...
Cheers
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Re: How do u define Secular or Secularism?
« Reply #7 on: June 13th, 2005, 9:39am » |
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Dear Saurav,
I wrote nearly 1/2 hr writing my reply. But, somehow I cliked nback to get from Bijili and I lost all my text. I have relentlessly to retrieve it for about 40 min now and its 3.10 am I am extemely tired. I will however, write the reply again and post it.
Bijili
I had written to you for another subject in a another thread but I am not sure whether you have revcd it.
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