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Re: How do u define Secular or Secularism?
« Reply #16 on: June 14th, 2005, 7:05pm » |
 
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on June 14th, 2005, 12:23pm, Count_Dracula wrote:| To understand India....you need to be one of the 1.2 Billion |
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ek bar ek bharotiyo sangbadik mother treresa ke bolechilo, "ma, tumi bharote eshe jora-jirno, dukhi aar koto oshohay o daridra manusher seba jotno korcho. teder ke bujhte giye tumi tader moto cholo, tader khabar khao, tader poshak poro. kintu tumi bharote jonmao ni - kono din tumi bharatiyo hote parbe na aar bharotiyo der thik bujhteo parbe na."
tokhon mother theresa bolechilen, "you are right my child, i did not born in india but i choose to become one and you accidently became an indian"
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Re: How do u define Secular or Secularism?
« Reply #17 on: June 15th, 2005, 3:43am » |
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on June 14th, 2005, 2:40pm, kigoobe wrote: Tx Bijli. That's indeed a very good page ... buk ta fuliya bish haat oi jaai ... aar koi, shalar shalar angrej, tora jodi na aaite ...
I'll personally invite all the silchar.com members to visit the link provided by Bijli ... |
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A very personal opinion this. I know it would invite a lot of ire from my fellow members, but still could not resist myself.
All the greatness that is credited to India and Indians are mostly two-fold in nature, a. Things that we did in the past. b. Very recently, we have started taking pride in how many of us have been working for transnational (mostly American) corporate giants.
Sourav laments 'jodi ingrez ra na aito'. Remember dudes, ingrez-er prachur abadan aase amrar desho, mostly related to scientific and technological advancements. And another very interesting aspect is that their invasion was a blessing in disguise, it actually helped us to develop as a nation, and not a conglomerate of kingdoms.
So, lets start building a nation (in addition to a bunch of techies whose wildest fantasy is to work in a country primarily inhabited by the whites). And foremost, let's start taking pride in being an Indian in every path of life. Almost all of us have, in some point or the other, screamed 'Dhutteri, ei desher kicchu hoito nay'.
Start shooting guys, i am right within the point blank range.
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Re: How do u define Secular or Secularism?
« Reply #18 on: June 15th, 2005, 5:52am » |
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Quote:All the greatness that is credited to India and Indians are mostly two-fold in nature, a. Things that we did in the past. b. Very recently, we have started taking pride in how many of us have been working for transnational (mostly American) corporate giants.
Sourav laments 'jodi ingrez ra na aito'. Remember dudes, ingrez-er prachur abadan aase amrar desho, mostly related to scientific and technological advancements. And another very interesting aspect is that their invasion was a blessing in disguise, it actually helped us to develop as a nation, and not a conglomerate of kingdoms. |
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Debasish khub bhalo abong lokhi chele, na hoile ekta sundor debate oilo ne ekhon, specially second para ta loiya ...
Jai howk, debate o jaitam nai ami, somporker khatire, khali ekta kotha koi, bosorkhanik ager kotha ... ek majboyoshi British mohilar loge alap hor, ami Indian dekhiya tain suru korla, tain India gesoin, ityadi ityadi ... aar mat te mat te akta uthiya koin, 'But you know, after all you can't deny that India is still a very poor country'. Kita koislam jani ni Debasish, janiyar tumar uttor ta thik bhala lagto nai, kintu suno - ami tanre koislam, 'Of course India is a very poor country, but do u know there are two other facts that are very closely associated with this one ?' Tan mukho prosnobudhok chinho awar pore koislam je 'The second fact goes as England is a very rich country and the third fact is that, the reason of both the first two facts are the same'.
Debasish, ami tumar feeling re oshomman kortam nai as u r a nice guy and I like u, kintu onyo keu 'Ingrez ra desho awai deshor bohut bhala oise' or 'Netaji Subhas Chandra Bosu ekjon short sighted neta asla je desher khali khoti korse' dhoroner kotha koile, abong kothata samna samna koile ... khali ekta kotha koi, if u don't respect ur own identity, nobody else will do it. Amrar desho jokhon surgery oi operation table-o tokhon tara kacha mangsho khaito aar jongole jongole lengta ghurto aar tumi koirai tara amrar science aar technology-t sahajyo korse ...
BTW, ajke ekta cinema dekhlam ... Bose, the forgotten Hero.
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Re: How do u define Secular or Secularism?
« Reply #19 on: June 15th, 2005, 6:19am » |
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A very nice thred!
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Re: How do u define Secular or Secularism?
« Reply #20 on: June 15th, 2005, 6:22am » |
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on June 12th, 2005, 8:04am, didibhai wrote:
Is India secular? NO
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"If this is the definition of secularism, I shall be proud to tell that India may be one of the fewest nations in the world today (if not the only) that is truely secular."
These are two different opinions regarding the topic whether India is secular or not.One group opines that India is secular whereas the other group endorses the contrary opinion.
The Constitution of India,as all of us know,proclaims to establish a secular state.
(I would like to mention that this particular word was added to our constitution in the 42nd amendment.)
a secular state as contrary to a theocracy signifies the state will neither patronise any particular religion(unlike Pakistan) nor will it accord any preferential treatment to any citizen or discriminate any citizen on the ground of religion.
(1)Those who conform to the view that India is secular take this aspect into account and it is evident in Souravda's posting.
Those who opine that India is not secular will explain how the politicians of our country capitalise on this concept to strengthen their votebanks.
The horrors of all riots and bloodshed in the name of religion really beggar description and compels us to think if it is secularism then what anti-secularism will be.
It is very true that this particular concept is instrumental for the corrupt politicians of our country to mobilise people.
In a country like India where the population is so diverse and heterogeneous,it is easy to divide them along different lines(sometimes it is religion ,sometimes it is caste) and thus getting votes becomes very easy.
It is the politicians who storm up some issue which facilitates the capture of power.
So,let me draw the conclusion now.
India is secular in as much as it doesnot patronise any particular religion.The citizens of India are free to practise their religious rituals without any restriction.
I read somewhere that Indians in the name of secularism enjoy more holidays than the citizen of any other country does.
What I think is this particular concept should not be confined to the mere enjoyment of holidays.Let us broaden its scpoe so that it embraces all the other aspect of our life so that people don't say India is not secular and it does not practise what it preaches.
But how can it be materialised?
I personally think that there has to be a dichotomy between the political sphere and the religious sphere.
I think Rupam tried to say that thing only.Am I right,Rupam?
The malfunction takes place only when the political and religious sphere are not divorced.
Only then we can build our country into a truly secular country in the real sense of the term.
And my question to Debshish:
Given the chance to come to U.S.A (which will give an enormous boost to your career)will you avail it?
Be true to yourself while answering .You are coming to U.S.A next year,if I am not mistaken.
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Re: How do u define Secular or Secularism?
« Reply #21 on: June 15th, 2005, 6:52am » |
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Open letter to Sourav:
Na na, ami lakkhi chhele nay. Seihetu tumi ja kowar koite paaro.. ebong amio tate kicchu mone kortam nay, karon ami jaani je tumrar shober kaach thakia amar prachur jinish shikhaar aase. Ami hoyto majhe majhe emon emon kotha koilai jeta thik deshattobodhak nay, kintu taar maane ei nay je ami amar identity loiya garbito nay. Kintu kene jaani ekhono amar mono hoy je amra jodi amrar negative dik tain jaante ebong taare shudhraite chesta na kori, taile amrar agragati ekta jegat giya thami jaibo. Nijer identity loiya garbo korata alada jinish, aar nijer SWOT analysis korata onyo jinish... duita jinish-i khub beshi matray prayojan agragati ebong pragatir lagiya.
Hope I am clear... never wanted to hurt anybody's sentiments though!
Open letter to brown_eyes (tumar naamta to jaani na):
Dekho didi, I fully agree with you that India is one of the most secular (if not the only one) nations... a handful of hooligans and like-minded politicians do smear our image from time to time. But the basic mindset of our people has never changed, we are basically peace loving tolerant people, albeit with our inherent vices and virtues.
Secondly... yes, given a chance, I would definitely try to catch the first flight to US (not only for career, for dollars too). Problem to ikhanoi didi... amar moto hajaar hajaar hotobhagya... jaara so-called uccha shikkhito.... so called bhala bhala family-r chhele meye... rabindrasangeet shuniya aar satyajit rayer cinema dekhiya boro hoise... coffee-r peyalay desh loiya tufan tule... shei shob chele meye-ra eto shwarthapar je desh chhariya jaite ektu-o dwidhabodh kore na. Ajuhaat hishaabe koi je ikhano kaaj korar scope nai... gushthir pindi. Aar erar moiddhe shobcheye boro shuwarer baiccha hoilam ami je shobta jania shunia-o US jawar lubh shamlaite pariyar na.
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Re: How do u define Secular or Secularism?
« Reply #22 on: June 15th, 2005, 8:32am » |
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on June 15th, 2005, 6:52am, debasish_ch wrote:Open letter to brown_eyes (tumar naamta to jaani na):
Dekho didi, I fully agree with you that India is one of the most secular (if not the only one) nations... a handful of hooligans and like-minded politicians do smear our image from time to time. But the basic mindset of our people has never changed, we are basically peace loving tolerant people, albeit with our inherent vices and virtues. |
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Hi Debashishda,
You are very right in saying that we are basically peace loving tolerant people(unless and until we let ourselves be provoked by the politicians) with our inherent vices and the foremost among which is ignorance.
Even many educated people don't show their wisdom and let themselves be manipulated when it comes to religious affairs.We cannot expect everyone to be wise in a society and therefore the only way out is to stop mixing politics with religion.
What do you think guys?
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Re: How do u define Secular or Secularism?
« Reply #23 on: June 15th, 2005, 12:29pm » |
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Debashish, I really do appreciate ur posting.It needs huge guts to write this kind of thing. We are hypocrite and always try to show our best picture to the rest of world and in this race we always do forget to improve our weak links.
We always like to discuss about Sachin and Dravid but we never talk about our fast bowlers.In every field same story keeps running on.
aar aarekta kotha tumi suorer baccha nai, atleast i feel u r much better than that. jey public forum e nijere gailaite paare hey atelast a human being hoite laagbo..
Kigoobe da , with respect tumar answer ta really too good.kintu amare ekta kotha kou jodi UK er lagia amra gorib hoia thaki taile Hirosheema, Nagashakir incident er pore Japan kemne eto grow korlo.sometimes i do feel that 'excuse' word is invented by Indians.
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